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Fudou the Mountain	Coordinating others isn't exactly something Fudou ever signed up to do. It's the sort of thing that makes him long for days of just wandering around, smashing taverns, teahouses, the occasional immaculate monk, and stealing what he wanted when he wanted. Little going back to that without giving up much of what he's done and earned now...but hes not going to continue to just play messenger and relay information best obtained from the source so that a solid plan can be concocted to ideally put an end to this affair. Or so he hopes. For now a message has gone forth. Three of those summoned have been here before. A large converted warehouse deep in the west quarter of the city that he's long had but is incredibly difficult if not nigh impossible to find if he doesn't want it found. Those who know it can find it without his aid. Others, however, may require an escort so where Tiziri, Raullaur and Makara have been told to return to the place they relaxed with the massive man at, Bright Journey receives his direct attention as he wends and winds his way through the streets only to eventually have their passage open up to reveal a large structure that looks abandoned from the outside but surely could be put to better use housing grains, drugs or any other assorted material from the size of it. "Sorry I've never brought you here before. I've only ever shown Tiziri and Raullaur this by chance and necessity." he offers to her as he draws to a stop near the large doors and looks around, expecting Makara Raullaur and Tiziri to either already be here or arriving shortly.
Tiziri	Tiziri is indeed here, lounging on one of the chairs inside it rather too comfortably while holding a rather large jar of wine as well. She's obviously been partaking while she waits. the young woman currently dressed in the robes of a desert nomad from somewhere in the south. Though her headscarf and veil are down and draped around her shoulders. The expression on her face is an almost impishly enigmatic looking smile. Of interest to the others arriving? It's almost like they saw her before outside... possibly more than once. Like she was keeping watch. But surely not? Because she's already here!
Bright Journey	Bright Journey offers Fudou a winning smile, and she honestly doesn't look bothered by it. "Not to worry, Fudou dear. I admit I wouldn't have known where to go without you showing me, but I'm quite confident I can find it again if I need to. I appreciate you inviting me, by the way. It feels like there's a lot of threads happening here, and I'm of a mind to draw some of them together tonight." She chuckles quietly as they move through the threshold. "I know it has to be bizarre for you to be the one talking with me around. I hope you don't mind if I listen a bit more for once." She turns to everyone else inside. "Good evening, everyone! I hope you all don't mind if I listen in, and if I can be of help of course let me know."
Tepet Makara	Makara arrives in the warehouse, hoping that they will discuss the plans in dealing with the Consortium once and for all. "Hello there but so far, do we know any new information regarding the Consortium?"
Raullaur	Raullaur makes his way into the nominally-abandoned building, today dressed to not draw attention. There is a nod to each Tiziri he sees as he goes by. Once he comes in, he greets the others. "Hello, Makara. Hello again, Tiziri. Journey, good to see you as always. And Fudou, thank you for hosting us." He moves to one side, to look around at the others, and then, as he has no answer for Makara, he remains silent."
Fudou the Mountain	"You wouldn't have been able to have found it without my help." notes Fudou while wiggling his msasive fingers and grinning impishly. His eyes seem to sparkle with a bit of mischief as he rumbles, "We silver scions cheat after all. Hiding in plain sight. It's quite safe here as a result. So feel free to relax and listen in as you see fit." Speaking of cheating, he does indeed note Tiziri...and again...and again. He doesn't say much to that, instead allowing Bright to have her full look at the place once she's comfortably in. It is indeed well stocked. Food and drink. Comfortable couches and chairs and great pillows. Many sized for the bruiser and any that approach his scale but enough for visitors of a more normal size. So everyone else. Of course someone might amuse themselves by attempting one of the massive seats usually reserved for himself if they want to experience being swallowed up by a giant couch or set of pillows. "Comfortable?" he asks cheekily of Tiziri though he raises an eyebrow as Makara arrives and goes right to the point. When Raullaur arrives he gives the lion man a big full toothed grin and then turns "Well that's why I asked you to come. I relayed what Tiziri told me but I think it's a better idea to let her do so on her own so we can decide on what to do." he glances back to Tiziri, "I told Makara about the plan of using the dead but I suppose that might prove a challenge if there aren't any dead available to use. Why don't you tell them again when you told me."
Tiziri	Tiziri is definitely on one of the big ones, lounging very much comfortably. Why not? She does briefly hold her jar in toast as others arrive though. And to Fudou she says. "Yes. I do think it would be even better with a nice hookah, but I didn't look too hard or bring one." She giggles. Then she seems to address Makara's question, looking straight towards him. "Yes. I suppose I could just propose the question I asked of Fudou. Infiltration or Piracy?" Her grin grows more cheshire like as her head tilts in that almost too far to the side way before she giggles, takes a swig, and goes on. "But I think we all know the answer. Piracy just sounds more fun! I know of a method they are using to send information back. I know where they keep their info, I can get that. But first we should take the ship they send their next batch of information on. It may allow us to force them to commit, and if we do it right? To obfuscate the perpetrators in such a way as to help us deal with two foes at once. Unless they are working together, in which case we learn something even more valuable."
Bright Journey	With a long, thoughtful look, Bright sweeps across all of Fudou's hideout. A little grin comes across her face. "Well, now! This reminds me more of where I grew up than the Mansion now, actually. I know you've seen that I like the finer things in life, but in a lot of ways that's because I grew up in a small town, in a cozy home much like this." She giggles a bit. "Scaled down, mind you. But otherwise like this." As Makara, Fudou, and Tiziri all mention the reason they're there, Bright remains silent for a moment, letting them explain the situation. She's actually not carrying any drinks (and no hookahs) but doesn't seem inclined to ask, instead sinking down into one of the more normal sized chairs with a delicate crossing of her legs and a head tip-tilt, chin in hand. The very picture of listening and thinking. At the mention of piracy, Bright smiles vaguely. "I know Silk's in the market for a good ship, actually. A thought for the future. But it certainly sounds like you've learned a -lot- about how this is happening, Tiziri. And Makara, I recall the last time you and I faced off against the dead. I didn't know you could do that...but now that I'm thinking about it, perhaps that's the kind of thing that would implicate the Field of Endless Raitons, rather than us? I can't wait to hear the details."
Tepet Makara	"Well about that...let's just say my past life also left some of his knowledge through memories" He says to Bright regarding how he got such bleak knowledge in the first place. "As for the lack of dead bodies, there has to be some sort of nearby shipwreck in the river province somewhere. There were battles that occurred there after all." He then ponders on the other alternatives. "I could bring a horde to the river where the boat is but the problem is the distance and whatever other factors that may impede it."
Fudou the Mountain	"That is a problem." acknowledges Fudou, "But not one that can't ve overcome. We need to know where to strike first. If we don't know where the ship will be then it's all somewhat ponitless. As for geting the dead onto the ship - how large of a ship is it? Is it THe Consortiums own or something they are chartering and what are the chances of someone of the Chosen being onboard to protect it? If this isn't an issue - I believe I could drag the ship to the shore as a sea creatuer of great size. They wouldn't know it was a lunar of course. That's the entire point of our gifts. But if I attempt it and am then set upon by some hired hand Water Dragon that won't work obvoiusly. Otherwise we'll need some dead that know how to swim..."
Tiziri	"I am very good at things when I put my mind to them." Tiziri says to Bright in response to her learning a lot. "Especially learning things. As it stands it has helped me think of other creative solutions towards learning things too, which is quite wonderful, but perhaps a bit irrelevant to the topic at hand, just my personal fun there." She ends her digression by taking a long swig of her wine again. Though then she holds it out in offer to others in case they want some. It is a rather large jug! "I see a few options. One? Which may help with deflecting blame would be stealing another ship first. Then having it downriver. We don't know for sure how long until I confirm a ship is loaded with the next batch of files." Tiziri responds. "The second is as Fudou says, we have options. Sorcery, Swimming Dead, Siege Engines to attack the ship, Fudou, Other things? I'm not too concerned. The dead being seen and a survivor or two are all we really need. So we want some swimming to the shore."
Bright Journey	"So...if I understand correctly, the plan is to seize the ship after it's collected some of the Nine Sheaves' stolen information? And hopefully make them think it's something other than us?" She scratches her chin a bit and leans forward. "I think I can be of help there in a couple ways. Fudou can vouch that I am perfectly capable of breathing water. I can also bring people to the deck of the ship with a couple different spells, no need to climb the side. I actually just learned a spell to put people to sleep if we need. Lastly, if you need me to destroy a ship at range, that's possible...-if- my anima banner flaring isn't an obstacle." "Makara, if we do summon the dead to attack, the point is for them to be seen, correct? Perhaps if you have some that can climb the sides...hmm. Not sure how that would go. I don't know enough about their capabilities or the opposition."
Tepet Makara	"if the ship is anchored somewhere, they can possibly climb the ship but it depends if the river is shallow enough for them to cross, although I expect it to be slow. But since the dead don't need to breath, I think they can submerge themselves" "If I do raise the zombies, hopefully they won't notice my anima flaring so I may disguise it with something else so they won't know a Lunar did it"
Fudou the Mountain	"Having multiple options is good. It means together we are quite capable of this and much more.." muses Fudou, "However I think we should hone in one s9omething simple and to the point. If you just need to get onto the ship and be free to find what you need to find we should just...take the ship in the easiest and smoothest way possible. Stealing a ship of our own means we'd have to crew it and crew it well enough to be able to take this other ship. Can the dead crew a ship?" He seems amused by this possiblity. "...Otherwise, I'm no sailor and I don't think any of you are...and hiring a third party muddies this up. We'd need to secure siege weapons. We -are- siege weapons, luv. No need for that. And..the point of using the dead to begin with is so that our own anima need not be exposed so I think we should stick with that. It seems easiest to run the ship aground, get on it, get what we need and leave. The only question to me is if others of The Chosen get involved which complicates it no matter what. If we -have- to destroy the ship then.." He nods to Bright, "That is possible yes. I could physically destroy it in a great form yes. Or any other options but I see no need to just kill the mortals needlessly if it can be avoided..." Going soft, perhaps. "You've kept your nature as a lunar hidden fairly well. If we want to pin this on a Deathknight or something similar then you'd have to raise them from far enough away that this wasn't an issue.."
Tiziri	"Essentially." Tiziri says. "I'll know instantly when it is out, and be able to tell you which ship. Once we know that? We can have a good idea of where it is going, and plan an ambush anywhere we want." She explains rather matter of factly. Then she rolls her eyes and says, "If I just wanted to destroy it I could summon a Magma Kraken in its path. If I just wanted to deflect most attention? I'd unleash a swarm of demons on it and be done. But no, that might not work. Sorcery is a known quantity. Sorcerors able to do that are likely Anathema. Unfortunately, I don't know Necromancy either. But stealing a ship? That's the issue." She pauses, seemingly thinking this out. "What if we do something to make it stop, and ground? Perhaps create some conditions to force it aground? Because we don't want it sunk, we want the things it carries." She's almost annoyed now. "So we are back to it. How do we stop the ship. What sorcery, necromancy, or other method do we use? Perhaps even a narrow turn or rapid?"
Bright Journey	"Hum," Bright murmurs as she thinks. "Well, like I said, the whole point of the dead is to fly the Shadowlands flag, right? Not literally, of course. But...hm! I have an idea." She leans back and starts ticking points off on her fingers. "One. These ships are dependent on wind, correct? Not oars? Two. There's a spell that I have yet to actually learn, but I've read about, which manipulates the weather. If I can compel the wind to blow hard enough, I might be able to blow a ship off course, at least. That, plus maybe an underwater nudge, might do the trick. Now, the spell is kind of obvious but it has a large range, so I can just find a spot out of the way. Three. I think we can assume they will take down the sails, so don't expect them to actually go aground without some help, but we can certainly slow or maybe stop them. Four. I'd rather not kill them if we have the choice. I think putting them to sleep, offloading them, and summoning the dead to the ship and letting it go adrift might be enough? I'm sure we could convince them to go lose themselves in Nexus or something if it came to that. Five. The idea is for someone to find the ship adrift with undead on it, is that the idea? To sell the idea that the Shadowland is making a move?"
Tepet Makara	"Hmmm, that can work especially since the shadowland has a history of dead coming out of it and wreak havoc in neighboring kingdoms."
Fudou the Mountain	Both hands on his hips, Fudou looks at Tiziri with mild annoyance at first but then inclines his head and glances over as Bright speaks. He listens for a few seconds,pondering her words and then purses his lips. "In short, yes we want to take the ship without being seen ourselves and the dead being directed to attack it and force the crew to flee is the ideal goal. Then any who escape would be able to spread the word that they were attacked by the dead. Misdirection. But..some may not want to leave without a fight. That is simply going to be a risk. I don't think you or anyone should risk exposing themselves to speak to the sailors at all. If they don't attempt to flee the dead then..." Fudou shrugs lightly, "..We won't be able to put on a convincing show otherwise, especially if there are any who are there who are protectors and inclined to fight.." He nods is head lightly, "That does put a lot on you as well but the wind..if the wind could do the trick that will help but even without the wind..." Fudou inclines his head and grins, "Well it might take a little extra effort but I think I could nudge the ship towards the land or pull it by its anchor chain. I think then, that's the goal. To ground the ship and let Makara's horde do the rest." He nods in agreement with Makara and says again: "Yes..that is the whole point."
Tiziri	"Most going down the river are probably dependant on the current or oars." Tiziri responds, though suddenly she is looking quite thoughtful. Her grin has grown wider if anything. Though it fades a little bit at what Bright says. As a more pragmatic look comes to her face and she says. "Death will be unavoidable here. Leaving too many survivors through making them sleep tips our hand. This needs to look like pirates or the undead, nothing more. Something like you say? That will endanger far more lives. Draw a potential war towards our direction that would not be ideal." Tiziri continues to look thoughtful. Even tapping her chin a moment before once again taking a swig of wine. "I wonder if we could do something to help disguise it. Disguise you in such a form. If you looked dead..." She muses as she regards Fudou. "That's all we'd need. Especially hearing about the thing that took Thorns. Dead giants and all."
Bright Journey	Bright doesn't look terribly happy, to be sure, but she slowly nods. "I suppose you're right, Tiziri. I'd -like- to, but honestly, the plan actually requires at least some of them get away to tell their tale. If they have the chance to do so, that is enough." "I don't think I really have a way of disguising you, Fudou. I don't really have any illusion magic. This might be one of those things where less is more--where if I overdo it...yeah. Tip the hand, as Tiziri said."
Fudou the Mountain	"I am sure RIshi wouldn't; be pleased either." offers Fudou with a helpless shrug to Bright, "Once upon a time I wouldn't have cared much myself but...I'd like to -not- see it happen. However...short of just ..doing things that would expose us I don't see any other way. As for disguising me to look as if I was dead... Hmm..it might not be necessary really. I doubt they'd get a good look at me or care much anyway and even if they did, the fact that it'd be timed well with the attack of the dead would likely lead them to just assume I was somehow summoned by them and they just didn't see obvious signs of death and decay because they didn't have the chance." He waves his huge hand a few times, "Any number of forms could do the trick. A River Dragon magnified to tremendous size seems the most obvious solution here and I can do that. It'll be enough for them to see that and all I intend to do would be to pull the ship to the shoreline for the dead to attack and make sure the ship stays grounded."
Tepet Makara	"Hopefully the survivors don't notice some details that there is something off about the attack." Makara says regarding the witnesses that may report to the Consortium. "I can also disguise my beastman form as if I'm some sort of undead"
Tiziri	"Oh, it does, yes." Tiziri agrees, nodding. "It's just it needs to be enough to look like it was the dead. A few getting away makes sense. But too many will look strange too. The dead are... dead. They don't seem to care." She just shakes her head and swigs her wine again. Then there is silence for a time. Finally, Tiziri looks over towards Fudou and says, "Especially if you stay underground, such would make things look more confusing no matter how many look. Especially as the dead attack." She adds. Then a look over towards Makara. "It might not take much, if anything, just have them wear tokens of death. Enough to look like they're allies."
Bright Journey	"The faster and more confusing everything is, the better off we are," Bright murmurs. "Still not my favorite pastime, this, but I can see the need." She sighs. "So. Any idea how many sailors there'll be onboard? I imagine only the Captain and maybe the First Mate will probably know about this information, right? They were keeping it pretty secret. And the rest will hopefully not know enough to be able to tell anyone why the dead might have attacked."
Fudou the Mountain	"Hngh." This seems to be the snag that people are somewhat tripping over and Fudou narrows his eyes and then finally says, "We just need to make it look like an attack and let the mortals fend for themselves. We do not need to target a certain number of deaths or waste the living. If fools will be fools they'll fall to the dead. If they can escape let them escape. If many escape the so be it. Let it be many. We'll not needlessly bloody our hands because we're comfortable right now and want to forestall a war that's going to happen no matter what. All we want is the information yes? So let's just go get it." He makes a casual gesture, "If they see a giant creature they see a giant creature. They'll have enough on their minds. Let's not over think this. All throughout Creaion the dead plague the living. We're not trying to recreate the fall of Thorns here just distract a ship with an unlucky attack and if mortals get 'lucky' escaping then we got what we need. " He gestures at Makara, "Especially if he disguises himself as he just says and appears the horrid monster. If that's even necessary. Let's instead focus on isolating the time and place and then make our move."
Tiziri	"That I do not have an answer for. I was unable to follow the ship to check, my abilities to spy only go so far, and I did not try to follow it once I saw which way it was going, downriver by the way, probably not a surprise after all. Either way, it's a courier ship, so it's not large or a warship. It's fast, meant to bring a smaller carge to a location quickly." Tiziri looks to Fudou and nods. "That's all I ever meant. It must be natural. We can't make an effort to let them get away, or it will seem weird. Likewise we can't slaughter them all. As it stands, the living will swim to one shore or another. If we must, then perhaps something can be done to help that happen. Your form underwater perhaps. If, and only if, the ones on shore can't break through to escape on land. I don't like being a monster. I almost died because of bandits, so this is distasteful to me too." Tiziri says. "Yet the cold truth is we're working against an enemy that would not hesitate to do it to us, and will happily sell us out to those who could. So it must be done well, efficiently, and deflect enough blame. This obfuscation is the solution to save lives! Otherwise we could simply slaughter them all easily. I know I could alone." She is deathly serious here. Almost showing an air of frustration. "Yet if it works, we deflect the response - and there will be one - against those who are far more complicit is death and suffering. Helping save far more lives. It is not an easy task. It is not clean. Yet it is what sometimes must be done for the greater good. Something I wager all our teachers might agree on, at least those of us in the Pact, and our teachers often struggle to agree the sky is blue!" Either because she is drunk, or frustrated, or both and something more to boot, she definitely is fervent in that statement.
Tiziri	Tiziri says, "Oh, and there would be... maybe... thirty?" Comes the aside. "Possibly less on such a ship.""
Tepet Makara	"Thankfully my other shapes besides a pterodactyl is a great white shark, so my deadly beastman form can have gills so I can breathe underwater. Since ghosts can shapeshift, I'll probably pose as some sort of undead wraith" The prince of the moon says regarding the plans. However it seems that he has somewhere to go. "Since my sifu is waiting for me, I'll leave this meeting early but hopefully the plan goes smoothly"
Bright Journey	Bright quietly chuckles in response. "But the sky is black right now." She grins. "But seriously, I understand, and I'm more than fine with attacking the ship and leaving them to escape--and if they do, that's on them. I was going to say that trying to force some kind of...quota would make things much, much worse than if many got away on their own. So I think we're in agreement. Hopefully we can come up with enough dead to be credible against a courier ship's crew...though they might panic and run anyway, all things considered." Bright looks to Tiziri and actually bows. "You're right, and I'm sorry. We -are- doing this to preserve our own lives, and the whole entire point is we are blameless while they try to have us killed. Or at least, this person is. But still, the Nine Sheaves clearly knows far too much, and I'm rather curious what else they know. This sounds like a much more significant operation than I was thinking."
Fudou the Mountain	"This plan hinges on you so I'm sure you do hope it goes smoothly." says Fudou, mildly snarkily at Makara as if annoyed he's leaving. But he does seem to understand after some consideration. The man is undercover after all. "I suppose we'll be letting you know when we're ready then!" He glances back to Bright and Tiziri and nods his head. "I think we are in agreement then. I suppose we were simply saying we should not attempt to mete out or measure lives. And honestly, are we not exalted? If we can save lives and still see our goals met why not? I've no interest in depriving a child of their father. IF a man is drowning and I can nudge him to the shore then nudge him I will and let him have a story to tell. But.." He nods his head, "In the end..the big picture must be considered. In that I agree and always have. Hn. Less I start sliding too much towards talking like Rishi on this is or something.." He then glances to Tiziri, "We must find out what they know yes. It could be as you said when you and I talked. It might not -be- The Wyld Hunt. It could be something darker and more dangerous. Or even another one of us. Or The Bull's Circle. It's time we knew for sure."
Tiziri	"I can add that whatever will be on this ship?" Tiziri begins. "It might not be precisely what they know about us. Yet what I've been able to see definitely proves that it is something valuable. If only as information. And knowing will help us immensely. It will show what is of interest, or perhaps what isn't. We won't know until we actually see what is in it. either way, something sent on a ship like that is valuable." Again she pauses, and looks up towards the roof, and it is more languidly that she continues. "Then once we have made sure this works. I will begin my operation to get the rest of the documents I can, those still in their vault. Yet to do that? I either will need to spend some time after the operation to hopefully get in again. Or I'll need to start in advance and not take part once the ship leaves. All I can promise is I know their vault's location, I can get in, and I've found a way to get out with whatever is most valuable. I merely worry that they'll soon change their plan once the news of the ship being captures gets out, and getting in is... Complicated. "Still, I hope it is just The Hunt we contend with. The Realm, Lookshy, or Prasad. That makes this easy. Worse is something else, whomever it is. Still workst of all is if we end up alienating a potential ally in the process."
Bright Journey	Bright Journey nods again, her expression firm, determined. "Yes. I'm sure the chances of -our- information being there is pretty slim. But if we can find out the kinds of things they learn, where they're taking them, to whom...and if we sell this right, they may not realize the attack isn't random. I think we might just pull this off. I think we might have to move fast, though, with drawing out the person responsible--do we still not know who it is exactly?--and intercepting his try at selling it to the Wyld Hunt. What throws me here is why does he have to do that if the Nine Sheaves is collecting this information already? I think he might be trying to make silver on the side. Maybe the artifact is a piece of it. He has -some- secret he's keeping from them. Which means we might have to deal with both separately."
Fudou the Mountain	Scratching the back of his head, Fudou grunts and then murmers, "Many questions. But like I said it might not end up even -being- the wyld hunt or the hunt alone. Or both. Either way, yes, we should move quickly so we can put this to rest and then decide on what to do with what we learn. I imagine we may be running out of time with the tournament as well. Soon they may end up packing up and leaving Great Forks all together. I suppose we could delay it somehow.. Make things more entertaining and drawn out in the arena with the games but...we have lless and less time.." He glanves to Tiziri, "So the sooner you are able to determine when the boat leaves and where to make the ambush the better."
Tiziri	Tiziri nods to Bright Journey. "And knowing that is exactly why we need to do this. Either answer leaves us in a better position than we are now." She keeps looking up towards the ceiling, her tone continuing to be extra pensive. "Still better, as I said, I can get in. But it will need to be me specifically. Not one of my resources. I've yet to find a way to cast a spell through them, or let them shape shift. So far only a friend that's a fly got in. So I'll need to do that myself, but at least then I can shift and start reading, and take what I can. Because I do have a way out... actually, come to think of it I have two ways in. Yet one I'd prefer not to use just in case. I would rather not take a risk with it. It may not be as overt as violence, yet still."
Bright Journey	"Personally, I think we should focus on one task at a time," Bright replies. "I think we should get this done and learn what we can, but if they think it's random hopefully they won't put too many more mercenaries in here. Not that we couldn't take them, but that'd be way too obvious. I think we should be ready to move once this is done." Bright pauses, drumming her fingers on one thigh impatiently. "Hrm. I should probably talk with Rishi and Silk about that, right, Tiziri? I think the plan to draw him out might have to happen sooner rather than later, if the ship attack spooks him. Maybe he'll make a misttake and we'll find him."
Fudou the Mountain	"Rishi si a nervous little bug. Be careful. On the one hand she's just ready to run at a moments notice and on the other she worries she may lack self control if she does have to do something or fight. She's unsettled.." Fudou's voice is low and concerned as he says that, "However for now I think we've done all we can for now in talking about ths. The rest is up to Tiziri and Makara to set up."
Tiziri	"The more moves ahead we think, the better our position will be. If they do this, we do that. If they do that, we do this. So on and so forth. That is how I've been running this. Some of me has had a lot of time to think in my observersations." Tiziri admits, with a shrug. "The bordeom has started to leech through, but the necessity is there." She takes a deep breath, then says. "Yes, I'll make sure it is out there. Once the ship leaves, you'll know. I'll find a way to a rendezvous. Once those moves are done we'll have the ability to plan for the next steps too."